Yeah, that icon is the shit.

[amand_r]

1. Hey, wanna see me step on my own dick? It'll be fun. You know, if you're into schadenfreude. Mah thoughts on warnings: [thoughts here]. No really. Okay, I don't know dick about warnings. I don't write dub-con, so I can't speak to that, but I hate warning for character death. This is the part where I whine. I do it now, because I feel like fandom has broken me, and not because I want to, and that bothers me, because I think part of the effect of like, One Thousand, was the character death. Knowing that it was coming wrecks it for me. I wanted everyone to be as shocked and sad and pissed as Joe would have been, and that doesn't work when you know that it's coming.

As fandom has broken me. I am content to be overruled. I love fandom, and fandom loves me. Have more Victory gin, Winston.

2. WHERE THE FUCK DID MY PHOTOSHOP INSTALLATION DISK GO? DO YOU KNOW WHERE IT IS? TELL ME, BITCHES!

3. I love when babies are born in fandom. YAY BABIES. GROW UP TO WRITE MOAR FIC. OR COSPLAY CERES VICTORIA. POSSIBLY VASH DU STAMPEDE.

4. Still hating on the HBB. HATING.

5. Oh Baked Lays, you are evil and must be destroyed by mah belleh.

6. Yet one more thing for which I wish I could take responsibility.

7. I love verasteine for her awesome meta, which I found really helpful, actually. But also, I love her because her post unearthed the phrases "writing Jack is like wearing Prada" and "Ianto makes my ass look great".

8. Because I am bored with myself, I shall post a bit of the

"You know what I hate?"

"A mystery?"

Jack nodded. "A myst—no wait, I like mysteries." He frowned at Ianto, who was holding a plastic body bag near the alien's feet as Owen prepared to lift them. "I was gonna say that I don't like eviscerated aliens on my doorstep."

Owen dropped the Xarxian's lower half onto the body bag under it. "We're in Splott. That's hardly our doorstep."

Ianto nodded. "He's right. The Plass would, technically, be our doorstep."

Jack crossed his arms and tried to frown, but it was amusing to watch Owen struggle with a body that was larger than his own. "You two have no appreciation for a good lead-in line."

Ianto began zipping up the body bag, but stopped at the knees when Owen waved his hands away, looking at something on the chest. "I have plenty of appreciation for good lines, when I hear them." Ianto shook his head and smiled at Jack. "And by the way, this is still a mystery."

Jack sighed. He was right about that.



There. Off to read TBB fics. WOOT!

Comments

[tripperfunster.livejournal.com]

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[amand-r.livejournal.com]

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[kickair8p.livejournal.com]

"2. WHERE THE FUCK DID MY PHOTOSHOP INSTALLATION DISK GO? DO YOU KNOW WHERE IT IS? TELL ME, BITCHES!"

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[amand-r.livejournal.com]

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[kickair8p.livejournal.com]

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[bleukittie.livejournal.com]

>>WHERE THE FUCK DID MY PHOTOSHOP INSTALLATION DISK GO? DO YOU KNOW WHERE IT IS? TELL ME, BITCHES!

I eated it.

[amand-r.livejournal.com]

MY PHOTOSHOPS. LET ME SHOW YOU THEM.

[paragraphs.livejournal.com]

Agree on character deaths, btw. I love mysteries and evil plots and serial killers etc...that spoils it for me. Besides, they are all fiction... and in this fandom? They off people all the time as if it is no big deal. So that is a no big deal to me too. LOL.

I want my new camera.

[amand-r.livejournal.com]

Yeah, I just. I try not to kill characters arbitrarily, and so if I do, I often want it to be a surprise. I really do. I write around that sometimes. To have to say "oh hai. dead peoples!" pisses me off.

But like I said, I'm content to be overruled, because i have Victory gin.

I want your camera, too. I bet you want it more.

[dorothy1901]

WHERE THE FUCK DID MY PHOTOSHOP INSTALLATION DISK GO?

HAVE YOU CHECKED YOUR STASH OF BARNEY/DISNEY DVDS? </exterminate>

I totally agree with you on the character death thing. Two of my all-time favorite fan-fiction-reading experiences both happened because unexpected character death hit me like a kick from an angry camel. (This is a good thing, if you like something other than warm fuzzies from your entertainment.)

I recced Yeah, That One Last Thing on one of the HL email lists recently (HL fic find? whatever.), and went into verbal contortions in order to warn without giving anything away. In retrospect, I wish I'd made the recommendation stronger. I'm afraid that my warning, blurry as it was, might have somehow implied there was some fault in the story. Bleah.

[amand-r.livejournal.com]

AW.

THERE IS NO BARNEY IN THIS HOUSE!

Yeah. I know that sometimes I piss people off my killing people, but come on, it had to happen. It's like my name has become synonymous with "someone's gonna die". Or it used to feel that way.

Thanks for the rec. Even dubious ones are good. Inadvertently dubious. I still love that story greatly.

[used_songs]

Yeah. I like surprises in fiction.

[amand-r.livejournal.com]

I do too, and I'm not getting involved in the dub-con one, because I don't really care either way, but I can respect that. I don't have any triggers, so it's easy fro me to be all like, "oh, buck up, little cowboy!" but I have friends who do have them, and they range from rape to alcoholism to death. I get it. I just...sometimes the char death should be a surprise.

[kel-reiley.livejournal.com]

but I hate warning for character death.

this! i wouldn't want to put that in my own header and i don't like reading a fic if i already know, b/c it won't matter how good the story is, it will be ruined and i'll just be waiting for the death to come

i think warning for things like dub/non-con, or graphic violence and torture are a fandom courtesy (that do NOT spoil the plot, if you ask me) and i always appreciate those
i don't think readers have a right to demand it, though, and most writers are good about including them anyway

[amand-r.livejournal.com]

Yeah, and sadly that was the origin of all of it, and it was ridiculous. It wasn't that the author DIDN'T warn for dub-con, although she didn't, it was that she didn't think the story contained dub-con. She put the warning in afterwards, but there had already been some debate about the issue and it just escalated.

As for character death. Well. I've been pretty vocal here about how I feel. But that's me, and well. Bah. Some fandoms you can get away without the warning, but in like HP? THEY KILL YOU IF YOU DON'T WARN.

[kel-reiley.livejournal.com]

yeah, they don't like it in tw either (i read that whole thing and then SURPRISE DEATH!?? WAH! well fucking duh)
i've only killed ianto once, and he was dying from the 1st sentence... i did not feel a warning was necessary

and ^ that 'debate' - i glanced at some of it, and i concluded that the author simply hadn't thought of warning (which is perfectly understandable - though i didn't read what needed to be warned for) but then once it was pointed out, the author then quick ETA'd a warning up - yes?
it should have ended there, and the fact that ppl kept going on and on about it... well, i'm sorry but STFU -author acknowledged complaint and complied, there's no fucking need to compare it to *this* incident or *that* incident, it's fucking OVER
and, honestly, the arguments i read (on both sides) made ppl look like huge asses

*will not rant at you about this*

[amand-r.livejournal.com]

Yeah, the author in question has been gangbanged so often in that fandom that I think she kind of...had a knee jerk reaction, and probably for like the space on an hour she argued about why she didn't feel that it was dub-con, but then she capitulated and instead of dub-con, she put "issues with consent." But even after she did it, there was a vomitorium of TL;DR.

I don't know. I might warn for dub-con. In a fest I might wanr for things that I might not if it was just my journal. I actually hate warning for anything other than dub-con and some extreme squicks, and instead I like to put it under a ratings tag. Like "Rated nc-17 for watersports." Because really, does someone have to be WARNED? Maybe I just don't like the word "warned." Like I'm protecting them from something. I am not my brother's keeper.

[kel-reiley.livejournal.com]

i think it is entirely the author's decision to warn or not - ppl might get upset with you, don't engage in arguments about it, don't try to justify it, just state 'i don't do warnings: read at own risk' or possibly something less bitchy

BUT i do appreciate warnings for things like non-con (or RAPE if you want to be real about it) and incest b/c DAMN i do not want to read those (incest just b/c it's icky)
however, if i come up on it and think to myself O GOD NO, i can back button

do i think ppl *should* warn for these things? i think it's a nice thing to do, yes
do i think ppl should be made to feel guilty or like some sort of villain b/c they don't use warnings? fuck no
do i think the ppl comparing rape/abuse triggers to the slippery slope of having to warn for everything is completely idiotic and fucking stupid? hell yes
likewise, one comment i skimmed where "surprise! unwarned for *trigger scene* in fic is THE SAME THING as being raped" - um, no, just fucking no
and don't make rape comparisons to me, b/c there ARE NO FUCKING comparisons - even 2 separate incidents of rape cannot be compared to one another so FUCK OFF! (um, this is not directed at you... and i'm not ranting, i swear)

so warnings are nice, yes, much appreciated, but not demanded

(except clowns - warn for clowns)

[amand-r.livejournal.com]

I agree with you. I think that "I don't do warnings!" in a header is as pretentious as saying, "omg have kleenex handy!" I hate that shit.

Yeah, I think I'll agree with you on the trigger issue. I mean, the first few months after Tianyu died, I made the mistake of stumbling across some instances in whcih people in TV shot themselves in the head, and I have to admit, I was unnerved. That said, that's not even a bodily violation like rape, and I can see where you know, you're reading a story for entertainment, and all of the sudden, BAM! RAPEZOR5. You know. It's a nice thing to warn for that. But you are right, it's not like being raped all over again.

And just because we warn for dub/non-con (which some people who don't have triggers object to on moral reasons, hello! why are we not talking about that?), doesn't mean that we should feel obligated to warn for other things.

I ALWAYS WARN FOR CLOWNS. (THE NEXT FIC I WRITE WILL HAVE THAT WARNING ON IT JUST FOR YOU.)

[kel-reiley.livejournal.com]

i read IT - as long as there are no illustrations, i'll be ok

there are certain tw writers that i avoid completely now, simply b/c i KNOW they write that shit repeatedly - i don't care if this one time, they write something completely different and awesome, chances are i won't see it b/c AVOIDANCE

i think i have more of a problem with "rape fantasy" (a concept i DO NOT get btw) than i do with an actual rape scene (if not in graphic detail) b/c one is sort of... i don't want to say 'justifying' the rape (even though ppl do that with 'o, but s/he liked it in the end - FUCK OFF TO THAT TOO!) but fetishising it, at least
and the other is presenting a difficult and traumatic event as difficult and traumatic
(i also do not understand the absolute necessity in ALL fandoms to have rape fic... but it's a fact of fandom that i have discovered in my measly... 6 years or participation)
torchwood has aliens and time-travel and shit and ppl still need to write about rape?

i'm shutting up now

[amand-r.livejournal.com]

Wait, write dub-con? Am I missing this?

I kind of understand the "rape fantasy" from an academic level, and hey, whatever floats the boat is okay with me, because there are a lot of those out there, and they fulfill this niche of erotica that recognizes that it is erotica, and so instead of letting the characters act as humans might, the author realizes that they are constructs, and so therefore the fantasy is "safe" and doesn't need to be explained. Much like how in some anime porn, men "fuck" lesbians straight. I don't think anyone really believes that's ever going to happen, or is really a good thing, but it's taboo and sexual and fucked up.

I think also, that women (some), have this sexual fantasy of having choices taken from them, which is rape, and it's like an oh! oh! violated! feels so good! thing. Like harlequin romance novels. And when it's handled in fanfic it can be badly done either because the author is sub par, or they take it farther than we ever see in profic because fanfic is free and therefore not subject to media censoring.

Anyway, I talked too long, and 6 years is a respectable amount of time in fandom.

[kel-reiley.livejournal.com]

o, no, i get that it's a sexual fantasy (for some) and yeah, that's totally ok, i don't care, and yes it does fill a niche - just not for me
and there are writers in tw fandom that write specifically for this (possibly not all the time, but i swear i've seen the same few names with the same themes - not always rape, but incest, abuse, and other things along those lines as fantasy or plot device)
i don't understand the draw, b/c it's just something i don't get, but i understand that other ppl enjoy reading it

and yes, a lot of it is done badly
like spanking - i can see where ppl find this erotic in real life, but i've yet to read it in fic where it wasn't just boring - possibly that's b/c it just doesn't do it for me, who knows

anyway

[amand-r.livejournal.com]

Oh I got you! Sorry to have slammed you with all that teal deer.

I agree with spanking. I have the same issue with ageplay (esp coupled with spanking). I don't think I've ever read a spanking fic that I didn't think was a little bit silly. Wait, no, there was one the other day--Gwen and Owen. Anyway, aside from that.

I have ageplay on my kinkbingo card. If I want to black out I'll need to conquer the sillies.

[kel-reiley.livejournal.com]

ageplay is tricky - good luck

[51stcenturyfox.livejournal.com]

Ageplay is not my thing, but there is stuff you can do with it that isn't spank-y or discipline-stuff.

It can be pacifiers.

Okay, that's weird. I don't know. Not my thing! :D

[amand-r.livejournal.com]

I know there has to be something. I'm going to have to research, because when I think ageplay, I think diapers on grown men. There has to be more!

[kickair8p.livejournal.com]

In the minority here, but IMHO an "angst" warning should cover deathfic. And "THIS IS A GATHERING STORY" should definitely cover it! But I put a "suicidal ideation" warning on one of my WiP-amnesties because you're on my friends-list -- not because I thought you might read it (this was before you were into Torchwood), but because knowing you made me think of it. On the third hand, it would've never occurred to me to put a deathfic warning on a fic where somebody temporarily dies, even Jack getting shot in the head yet again.

No conclusions yet, just looking at it from multiple angles.

~

[amand-r.livejournal.com]

You have a point about the "angst warning!" thing. I never thought of it that way, but I think in the past I might have even said that. I think in YTOLT I alluded to Joe's death by saying "this is an Amand-r story".

I am mixed on suicide warnings. I think that it's for pussies. But that said, that's because I want to make MYSELF seem more badass by refusing to have triggers. That doesn't mean that others don't.

Temporary death warnings? Those people need to be flogged.

[kel-reiley.livejournal.com]

"angst" covers sort of a broad spectrum, though - especially in torchwood
damn there are so many ianto-angst and jack-angst fics
and it *could* be happy ended angst

instead of 'character death' i think i'd rather put 'this is sad! you've been warned' or something

[amand-r.livejournal.com]

See, but then we're back to that "you'll need keeenex!" warning. don't warn me that something is going to be sad, bitches, because what you think is sad and what I think is sad are often two different things.

That's a general "you" BTW.

[kel-reiley.livejournal.com]

yeah, i was thinking that after i typed it
you could put 'no happy ending' but that might not always be true, either
death fic can still have a happy ending

basically, i just don't like character death warnings

[amand-r.livejournal.com]

YES, AND NOW WE HAVE MY POINT. AND YOUR POINT. IF WE POINTED ANY MORE, SOMEONE WOULD LOSE AN EYE.

[kel-reiley.livejournal.com]

eyes are important
we should stop pointing

[amonitrate.livejournal.com]

I am completely with you re: warnings for character death. I think they totally ruin most stories. I don't understand people who get really bitchy about character death. THERE ARE 2933 OTHER FICS OUT THERE WHERE YOUR CHARACTER IS STILL ALIVE. THEY ARE FICTIONAL. THEY ARE NOT REALLY DEAD.

I mean, how did people deal with the deaths in Harry Potter? Did they seriously flame JKR?

Anyway. I'm all for warning for consent issues. Just. Not character death. Or adultery/cheating, for heaven's sake, which was something else I've seen people flip out about.

[amand-r.livejournal.com]

I mean, how did people deal with the deaths in Harry Potter? Did they seriously flame JKR?

YES.

THEY ARE FICTIONAL. THEY ARE NOT REALLY DEAD.

This is why I don't get why people cry when their characters are killed off. It's actually that I am a soulless human being.

[amonitrate.livejournal.com]

Well, I cried at Serenity. A lot. But I don't get being all pissy at the author/director for it.


that said, I totally get the trigger thing. I don't think character death is a common trigger in the psychological sense, though.

I'm thinking the best compromise on the character death thing is the hidden warning with code idea. Which I'll probably do, should I ever kill anyone off who wasn't already dead.

[amand-r.livejournal.com]

See, I didn't cry in Serenity. I used to have a friend of mine cry on the phone over the memory of Connor dying in Endgame. The memory. THE MEMORY. I think she cried over Fitz, too. WTF.

You know what though, when I talk to people about character death, there are some of them who always say, "oh well, I won't read a story that has character death." So I assume these are the people who want me to warn for it. and it still isn't a psychological trigger. Anyone who says otherwise can fucking bite me, and we can whip out our death cocks.

[amonitrate.livejournal.com]

Serenity pretty much was the only movie I've ever cried at character death. Oh, and probably Fried Green Tomatoes. But then, I cry at lots of movies, at the drop of a hat.

I really don't get not reading character death, unless you are actually triggered by it. I mean... I guess. I don't particularly like reading non-con or babyfic. I think character death complaints might annoy me because of that element of fandom that gets pissed off if anything serious strays into their warm fuzzy porn. H/C annoys me a lot of the time because of the C part and the way it often squicks me about Magical Cock Healing, but again, I am apparently in the fandom minority about that.

[amand-r.livejournal.com]

I don't think I know about this magical cock healing thing of which you speak. Do I even WANT to know?

[amonitrate.livejournal.com]

oh, you know. character a is brutally abused, character b saves character a, within a few hours, character b is giving character a hot loving, which miraculously erases all the trauma character a suffered.

[amand-r.livejournal.com]

AH. YES. i LIKE MY H/C a little more time consuming than that.

[amonitrate.livejournal.com]

ahahhaahaa.

[kel-reiley.livejournal.com]

the way it often squicks me about Magical Cock Healing, but again, I am apparently in the fandom minority about that.

you're def not alone in this! AT ALL!

[amonitrate.livejournal.com]

Oh, good. Phew.Most people who object to H/C seem to object to the H part, which I'm perfectly fine with. Good to know there's more out there.