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Nov. 17th, 2003 09:35 pm![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
amand_rNote: the YOU in this entry is YOU, and I have no idea who you are. If you're insulted by this, then maybe YOU are the one I was thinking of. I'm just too lazy to bother with killing the second person shite. Oops.
WARNING: Freakingly huge gratuituous (sp) use of the word "fuck"! I only mention this because I just noticed it. Sweet Jesus, I say fuck a lot! Fuck me!
Seriously. I can't speak for other countries, but the US is a land based on customer service, and speedy CS at that. Whenever we don't get something quickly when it's supposed to be quick, or quality when we think it should be quality, we scream to high heavens about it, regardless of whether or not it should have been either of those in the first place.
I'm thinking of this because a recent conversation with the MIL led to this: MIL complains about the wait in the doctor's office. She thinks it is inconvenient. She says that she might bill the doctor for her wasted hours in the waiting room. I tell her that yeah, it's a fucking shame, but there's a reason her wait is so goddamn long, and that her idea is outrageous.
It's not this that gets me. It's her response: "But the customer is always right."
Bullshit. When did we start to believe this tripe? Because the customer is NOT always right, and no matter how much business will try to live up to this standard, this phrase is actually a crap ass motivational poster gone hideously awry.
Back to fic. Dude, if you don't like the quality of a piece of fic, fucking push the back button. Are we fucking surprised that there is fic that is *gasp* OOC? What one might consider non-canonical? Where is this all coming from? Did you all just wake up and pop out of a bubble somewhere and realize that "Hey, there's a lot of bad fic out there"?
Ranting about bad fic=teh stupid (strangely, ranting about slash related topics also=teh stupid, as well as rants about the ranters, which makes ME=stupid, as someone will invariably point out.). I don't even want to get into the![[livejournal.com profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/external/lj-userinfo.gif)
danawoods patented "don't like it, don't read it" rant, but rather I want to ask the point of getting so upset about bad characterization that you joke that some people shouldn't write. Everyone should write. I don't care if it's the worst shit in the world, but everyone should write, even though there are more people writing than have talent for writing. I don't care.
Bitches, write all you want. Put Buffy and Giles and Angel in bed with anyone you damn well please. Give Draco Malfoy a baby and make Sirius Black the dad. SOMEONE out there will like it. And you put paper to pen, or computer to…whatever. It may suck, and someone may make fun of you, but you wrote it. Go you.
On a completely segued note, I some of the WORST and MOST BORING fic, is the canonical shit. The so called mavens of the canon-accuracy are some of the worst writers I have ever read. No character at all, no flavor, nothing to make it stick out. Nothing at all. Flat as....oops, I disintegrated into a boob joke.
In the end, fic writers, lots of them, are whining about bad fic. These aren't professional writers here, and they never said they were. And they may not be GOOD writers, or even able to comprehend more than "Spike bad, Buffy pretty", but that's all okay. You ask too much. They aren't there to please you specifically, even though they are posted on the internet. Note that I did not say that they are written just for the author's self gratification, because they rarely are, just that they are not all about YOU, the individualized reader. They are for the body of "the reader", some of whom will like the story and some of whom will hate it forever.
I can't even believe I said that, because I am the first to mock a fic, and I have bizarre standards of what is good than most people. But man, badfic is allowed to exist too. Like Neo-Nazis are allowed to exist. I may not like them, and I may thing they are fucking assholes, but in the US, they are allowed to believe what they want to believe, and even express that in a public forum. It was the only example I could think of on the fly. Bad fic is in no way on par with the Neo Nazi doctrine. So don't bitch about that either.
It's not because you don't like badfic (or whatever you deem to be badfic) that I say you suck, people. It's because you're offended that it even exists. You ask too much.
I'm making a lot of good points. I win. Beer time.
Today's completely off the top of the head rant was brought to you by tea, as in I've had five gallons of it, and by the letter X.
WARNING: Freakingly huge gratuituous (sp) use of the word "fuck"! I only mention this because I just noticed it. Sweet Jesus, I say fuck a lot! Fuck me!
Seriously. I can't speak for other countries, but the US is a land based on customer service, and speedy CS at that. Whenever we don't get something quickly when it's supposed to be quick, or quality when we think it should be quality, we scream to high heavens about it, regardless of whether or not it should have been either of those in the first place.
I'm thinking of this because a recent conversation with the MIL led to this: MIL complains about the wait in the doctor's office. She thinks it is inconvenient. She says that she might bill the doctor for her wasted hours in the waiting room. I tell her that yeah, it's a fucking shame, but there's a reason her wait is so goddamn long, and that her idea is outrageous.
It's not this that gets me. It's her response: "But the customer is always right."
Bullshit. When did we start to believe this tripe? Because the customer is NOT always right, and no matter how much business will try to live up to this standard, this phrase is actually a crap ass motivational poster gone hideously awry.
Back to fic. Dude, if you don't like the quality of a piece of fic, fucking push the back button. Are we fucking surprised that there is fic that is *gasp* OOC? What one might consider non-canonical? Where is this all coming from? Did you all just wake up and pop out of a bubble somewhere and realize that "Hey, there's a lot of bad fic out there"?
Ranting about bad fic=teh stupid (strangely, ranting about slash related topics also=teh stupid, as well as rants about the ranters, which makes ME=stupid, as someone will invariably point out.). I don't even want to get into the
danawoods patented "don't like it, don't read it" rant, but rather I want to ask the point of getting so upset about bad characterization that you joke that some people shouldn't write. Everyone should write. I don't care if it's the worst shit in the world, but everyone should write, even though there are more people writing than have talent for writing. I don't care.Bitches, write all you want. Put Buffy and Giles and Angel in bed with anyone you damn well please. Give Draco Malfoy a baby and make Sirius Black the dad. SOMEONE out there will like it. And you put paper to pen, or computer to…whatever. It may suck, and someone may make fun of you, but you wrote it. Go you.
On a completely segued note, I some of the WORST and MOST BORING fic, is the canonical shit. The so called mavens of the canon-accuracy are some of the worst writers I have ever read. No character at all, no flavor, nothing to make it stick out. Nothing at all. Flat as....oops, I disintegrated into a boob joke.
In the end, fic writers, lots of them, are whining about bad fic. These aren't professional writers here, and they never said they were. And they may not be GOOD writers, or even able to comprehend more than "Spike bad, Buffy pretty", but that's all okay. You ask too much. They aren't there to please you specifically, even though they are posted on the internet. Note that I did not say that they are written just for the author's self gratification, because they rarely are, just that they are not all about YOU, the individualized reader. They are for the body of "the reader", some of whom will like the story and some of whom will hate it forever.
I can't even believe I said that, because I am the first to mock a fic, and I have bizarre standards of what is good than most people. But man, badfic is allowed to exist too. Like Neo-Nazis are allowed to exist. I may not like them, and I may thing they are fucking assholes, but in the US, they are allowed to believe what they want to believe, and even express that in a public forum. It was the only example I could think of on the fly. Bad fic is in no way on par with the Neo Nazi doctrine. So don't bitch about that either.
It's not because you don't like badfic (or whatever you deem to be badfic) that I say you suck, people. It's because you're offended that it even exists. You ask too much.
I'm making a lot of good points. I win. Beer time.
Today's completely off the top of the head rant was brought to you by tea, as in I've had five gallons of it, and by the letter X.
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Amen, baby
Date: 2003-11-17 07:35 pm (UTC)diane
Re: Amen, baby
Date: 2003-11-17 07:40 pm (UTC)Or they're five.
Re: Amen, baby
Date: 2003-11-17 07:41 pm (UTC)Re: Amen, baby
Date: 2003-11-17 07:46 pm (UTC)Jesus, chickie
Date: 2003-11-17 07:48 pm (UTC)If I wasn't struggling to stay awake, and forcing my cold fingers to move properly (must turn heat on), I'd respond. But, you know, I guess we covered most of this right before you posted it.
Re: Jesus, chickie
Date: 2003-11-17 07:54 pm (UTC)You do realize, that this was spawned from that post whose URL I AIM'd to you. See what happens to the brain?
Ha ha ha...body in a woodchipper.
Re: Jesus, chickie
Date: 2003-11-17 11:08 pm (UTC)Hmmmm...Blaaaade!
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Date: 2003-11-17 11:07 pm (UTC)some of the WORST and MOST BORING fic, is the canonical shit.
I never really sat and thought about this before....but damn, you are so right. I always wondered what bugged me about these, "I should like this, but..." But then I'm a bit of an AU whore anyway.
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Date: 2003-11-18 11:17 am (UTC)1. Hesitate to create a new plot, but instead prefer to focus on the episodes or books that are canon
AND/OR
2. Have no sense of humor. Really. Highlander was full of humor, but the really canonical writers haven't gotten it right. Instead, their stories have either NO humor, or jokes that fall flat. Whenever I start to read a story, and there's a joke that is a little off, I start to check and see if the person's a canon whore.
Don't ask for examples, because I would hate to name names. You know who they are anyway.
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Date: 2003-11-18 06:06 pm (UTC)Even more sadly, the people who write this are the ones who actively try to "educate" badfic writers through various efforts. Thank god their targeted audience isn't receptive. I like reading poorly written Mary Sues. I like my fic reading to included lots of confusion between the use of "their" and "there", and prefer that there not be any paragraph breaks whatsoever. I also hate it when I can tell right away which character is speaking.
Okay, so I don't. But given a choice between that, and bland canon fic? Yeah, I'll take the former. At least it'll keep me riveted...if only in horror.