Smutty minded things.
Jan. 13th, 2004 04:30 pm![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
amand_rMy inbox spam has ceased to be pornographic in nature and instead has become gibberish. I kid you not, the last few spam mails I have gotten contain subject lines that read: "charity bayed impedance milwaukee orthodoxy" and my favorite, "rut quilt emeritus asymptote charybdis." That last got me excited, because I thought it might be pr0n in which an emeritus scholar (Snape) had sex with the squid's elder sister under a ratty quilt. Color me disappointed.
I know nothing about how a computer gets mail. I know there's a DSL line and millions, nay bazillions of electrons and whatnot surging through it, but really, I am dumb, so if this is an indicator of something, like a spambot or whatever, oh well. Likewise, as colorful as this is to write about, if anyone has a cure for this other then to turn on my mail's spam filter (which is a pain in the ass to program, and I gave up after a week of waiting for spam filter pages to load so that I could get all my mail from my yahoo groups), please do let me know.
On a completely unrelated note, I keep my bible and my dictionary together on the floor next to my desk, and both are large red hardbound books. The last few times I have tried to look up the definitions of words, I have picked up the bible instead. It is rather disconcerting to be looking up asymptote and to see "These are the sons of Shobal: Manahath, Ebal, Shepho, and Oham" when one finally looks down to see what they are doing. However, it did teach me that there were people named "Shep-ho," which I can only imagine is a very slutty shepherd. Needless to say, the bible is not a dictionary.
Since I am currently of the mindset to be smutty, I have decided to answer![[livejournal.com profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/external/lj-userinfo.gif)
evildrem's questions about slash, though I am sure that they will be very unhelpful to Ben, because I am not the average slash ho.
*1*. Why do you write slash? What do you get out of it?
Okay, I write slash because it's fashionable. I have written three? slash stories to date, and it is because I could. The first ("Upstairs, Downstairs") I wrote because I wanted to write a slash story and since DM/M is what I have read the most of, I wrote it. The second involved one character trying to kill another, so I figured sex would be the way to do that. Plus, if you haven’t noticed by now, I have always regarded "One Thousand" as a mind-fuck to the reader, because I set out to kill Mac just to make people cry. Sex worked for me.
The last, Tongues of Angels, I am doing because it's a great plot, thought it may have worked without the slash. Also, I recall it was originally supposed to be a short story about the guys well into their relationship, the day to day life of them together, and wasn't supposed to focus on sex at all. I recall being, at the time, sick of "first time" stories and PWPs.
That's it. I write slash because it's just another kind of fanfic to write. I don't even have a preference. I read much more slash than I do gen, but I write much more gen than I do slash. And yes, I "get off" (as much as I can without that being gross) on slash and het equally, if they are done well.
*2*. Do you consider/Have you considered the theoretical aspect of slash writing - eg, slash as a political statement or a way of correcting implicitly homophobic or obviously censored texts? Has that ever affected the way you've thought about slash?
I think anyone who's been involved with a slash argument online eventually gets down to this: the political (probably more sociological) ramifications of slash. I can't replicate whole arguments, because I'm lazy and we've all heard them before, so yes, I think about that sometimes. Not however, while I am reading or writing slash.
And here is where I become the Not Average Slash ho: I rarely ever see slash in whatever I'm watching. Blah BLAH, call me a hetero oriented person, I don't care. I see Duncan banging chicks, and then I see him talking with his good buddy Methos. All the glances in the world cannot, for me, erase the chick banging. Does this mean that I won't write it? No. That I can't imagine that it might be possible, if I stretch a scenario? No. But I have to get the characters there in the slashy mindset before I make them boff. I can't simply go on what I see in the show.
I used DM/M as an example, because that is what I'm most familiar with, but it pretty much goes for anything I watch.
*3*. Why slash, as opposed to ordinary fanfic?
Uh, slash IS ordinary fanfic. It's just another kind, like AU or gen, or het (especially that het with wacky pairings that make you go, huh? Like Amanda/Caspian). And since I write everything (I like to try as much as possible, just to say I've done it. In fact, I might be working on an MPREG as we speak, muwahahahaha), then slash is just another department.
*4* Are you opposed to slash that is not One True Pairing oriented, or do you not care as long as it's well-written/hot?
I care not about what the pairing is. I actually only read three pairings, because I pretty much have to get myself in the mindset that the characters could ever be slash, which takes a lot of encouraging by the author using IC writing and lots and lots of Reese's Pieces. Amand-r, she's like ET, in a way.
No really, I read Sano/Saitou, Methos/Duncan, and Harry/Snape. I will wander over to other stories if they're recced to me by someone I trust, but really, it has more to do with me being a snob than anything else. Piss off.
Also, I don't like PWPs, because I hate reading about non-plot driven sex. My theory behind this is that I have sex issues, but these sex issues make me bizarre and different, so piss off.
Or MAYBE, what I do in my sex life is so fulfilling that I need not go to fic for it. ::looks at husband, naked on the couch:: Yeaaaaaaaaaaaah.
*5* Why one fandom over another?
Oh hell, I dunno. Some fandoms are more prone to being slashed. Like Anita Blake: Vampire Hunter? My god, half of the characters are gender optional in their sexual preference, so slashing them is like, uhm, slashing Sigfried and Roy. I slash Highlander characters because it seems probable (no one can live that long and not have experimented), and Sano/Saitou is my guilty pairing that makes no sense. I guess HP is the slash neutral fandom, where I don't see slash in the books, but I can imagine it's there. Hey, it IS the nineties, right? Anchors aweigh!
DISCLAIMER/ADDENDUM: I am sure that somewhere in all of this is the issue that I find certain characters hot. But just because I find a character attractive, doesn't mean that I'll slash him. I'll only slash Methos, not any other of PW's characters that I've seen him play. I LOVE Val Pelka, but I'll never slash Kronos. I will slash his Shelley from Rowing the Wind because we all know Shelley was a little slut who took it up the ass. Ahem, uh, yes. In any case, I will NEVER slash Logan in the X-Men, because no matter how hot Hugh and the comic art is, I just...I can't do it. This does not mean that I don't read really good Gambit/Logan, so piss off.
Yes. Well.
NOTE: If I was ever to be metaquoted again, that first paragraph would be my pick. I seem to be in rare ass-fucking form today.
I know nothing about how a computer gets mail. I know there's a DSL line and millions, nay bazillions of electrons and whatnot surging through it, but really, I am dumb, so if this is an indicator of something, like a spambot or whatever, oh well. Likewise, as colorful as this is to write about, if anyone has a cure for this other then to turn on my mail's spam filter (which is a pain in the ass to program, and I gave up after a week of waiting for spam filter pages to load so that I could get all my mail from my yahoo groups), please do let me know.
On a completely unrelated note, I keep my bible and my dictionary together on the floor next to my desk, and both are large red hardbound books. The last few times I have tried to look up the definitions of words, I have picked up the bible instead. It is rather disconcerting to be looking up asymptote and to see "These are the sons of Shobal: Manahath, Ebal, Shepho, and Oham" when one finally looks down to see what they are doing. However, it did teach me that there were people named "Shep-ho," which I can only imagine is a very slutty shepherd. Needless to say, the bible is not a dictionary.
Since I am currently of the mindset to be smutty, I have decided to answer
evildrem's questions about slash, though I am sure that they will be very unhelpful to Ben, because I am not the average slash ho.*1*. Why do you write slash? What do you get out of it?
Okay, I write slash because it's fashionable. I have written three? slash stories to date, and it is because I could. The first ("Upstairs, Downstairs") I wrote because I wanted to write a slash story and since DM/M is what I have read the most of, I wrote it. The second involved one character trying to kill another, so I figured sex would be the way to do that. Plus, if you haven’t noticed by now, I have always regarded "One Thousand" as a mind-fuck to the reader, because I set out to kill Mac just to make people cry. Sex worked for me.
The last, Tongues of Angels, I am doing because it's a great plot, thought it may have worked without the slash. Also, I recall it was originally supposed to be a short story about the guys well into their relationship, the day to day life of them together, and wasn't supposed to focus on sex at all. I recall being, at the time, sick of "first time" stories and PWPs.
That's it. I write slash because it's just another kind of fanfic to write. I don't even have a preference. I read much more slash than I do gen, but I write much more gen than I do slash. And yes, I "get off" (as much as I can without that being gross) on slash and het equally, if they are done well.
*2*. Do you consider/Have you considered the theoretical aspect of slash writing - eg, slash as a political statement or a way of correcting implicitly homophobic or obviously censored texts? Has that ever affected the way you've thought about slash?
I think anyone who's been involved with a slash argument online eventually gets down to this: the political (probably more sociological) ramifications of slash. I can't replicate whole arguments, because I'm lazy and we've all heard them before, so yes, I think about that sometimes. Not however, while I am reading or writing slash.
And here is where I become the Not Average Slash ho: I rarely ever see slash in whatever I'm watching. Blah BLAH, call me a hetero oriented person, I don't care. I see Duncan banging chicks, and then I see him talking with his good buddy Methos. All the glances in the world cannot, for me, erase the chick banging. Does this mean that I won't write it? No. That I can't imagine that it might be possible, if I stretch a scenario? No. But I have to get the characters there in the slashy mindset before I make them boff. I can't simply go on what I see in the show.
I used DM/M as an example, because that is what I'm most familiar with, but it pretty much goes for anything I watch.
*3*. Why slash, as opposed to ordinary fanfic?
Uh, slash IS ordinary fanfic. It's just another kind, like AU or gen, or het (especially that het with wacky pairings that make you go, huh? Like Amanda/Caspian). And since I write everything (I like to try as much as possible, just to say I've done it. In fact, I might be working on an MPREG as we speak, muwahahahaha), then slash is just another department.
*4* Are you opposed to slash that is not One True Pairing oriented, or do you not care as long as it's well-written/hot?
I care not about what the pairing is. I actually only read three pairings, because I pretty much have to get myself in the mindset that the characters could ever be slash, which takes a lot of encouraging by the author using IC writing and lots and lots of Reese's Pieces. Amand-r, she's like ET, in a way.
No really, I read Sano/Saitou, Methos/Duncan, and Harry/Snape. I will wander over to other stories if they're recced to me by someone I trust, but really, it has more to do with me being a snob than anything else. Piss off.
Also, I don't like PWPs, because I hate reading about non-plot driven sex. My theory behind this is that I have sex issues, but these sex issues make me bizarre and different, so piss off.
Or MAYBE, what I do in my sex life is so fulfilling that I need not go to fic for it. ::looks at husband, naked on the couch:: Yeaaaaaaaaaaaah.
*5* Why one fandom over another?
Oh hell, I dunno. Some fandoms are more prone to being slashed. Like Anita Blake: Vampire Hunter? My god, half of the characters are gender optional in their sexual preference, so slashing them is like, uhm, slashing Sigfried and Roy. I slash Highlander characters because it seems probable (no one can live that long and not have experimented), and Sano/Saitou is my guilty pairing that makes no sense. I guess HP is the slash neutral fandom, where I don't see slash in the books, but I can imagine it's there. Hey, it IS the nineties, right? Anchors aweigh!
DISCLAIMER/ADDENDUM: I am sure that somewhere in all of this is the issue that I find certain characters hot. But just because I find a character attractive, doesn't mean that I'll slash him. I'll only slash Methos, not any other of PW's characters that I've seen him play. I LOVE Val Pelka, but I'll never slash Kronos. I will slash his Shelley from Rowing the Wind because we all know Shelley was a little slut who took it up the ass. Ahem, uh, yes. In any case, I will NEVER slash Logan in the X-Men, because no matter how hot Hugh and the comic art is, I just...I can't do it. This does not mean that I don't read really good Gambit/Logan, so piss off.
Yes. Well.
NOTE: If I was ever to be metaquoted again, that first paragraph would be my pick. I seem to be in rare ass-fucking form today.
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Date: 2004-01-13 11:15 pm (UTC)As for chan, well, heh heh, I read chan, as long as it isn't below the age of consent in Japan, which is 13. I think I was brought into that rather early, as when I was 13, I read Anne Rice's Queen of the Damned, wherein her Armand character mentioned about children and sex: "children are not innocent of sensual pleasures." Somewhere in my head this translates into "teenagers can be sexual too."
But you know, that's a sensitive subject, and Americans get all uppity about it, so I usually just shut my mouth and read.
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Date: 2004-01-13 11:48 pm (UTC)Angel and Spike are in a flashback, Angelus meeting William for the first time, forcing their hands into sunlight in a male macho something, both seemingly getting pleasure out of the pain. Standing close, very much in each others space. While this goes on Angelus sais that although he “loves the ladies” well enough, he’s lately “been wondering what it would be like to share the slaughter of innocents with another man. Don’t think that makes me some kind of a deviant...do you?”
Aanyway, when it comes to underage sex I can't say anything though. One of my rabid fan tv shows is Queer as Folk, UK version. One of the characters there is 15 and he has some of the most graphic sex scenes of the series with a 29 year old guy. So yeah, it would be stones and glasshouses. *coughs*
however, it is a sensitive subject. I agree there.
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Date: 2004-01-14 12:00 am (UTC)I have never seen the QaF British version, but I LOVE the American version, tough I have to buy it on DVD to get it. In this version that character you mention (he's called Justin here, since I think the characters are supposed to pretty much match their British counterparts. Correct me if I'm wrong.) is seventeen here. I am willing to bet that his age was upped here because viewers (prudish Americans again) would have a problame with an older man banging a 15 or 16 year old.
Man, I love the word "banging" when used to refer to sex. It rocks.
QaF rocks, no matter what country it's set in. ::nekkid boysex!::
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Date: 2004-01-14 02:49 am (UTC)I got the british version on dvd. I may have to make copies and send over *grins* It's just 10 episodes all in all so not -that- much to handle.
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Date: 2004-01-14 02:55 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2004-01-14 03:44 am (UTC)It was only 10 episodes, actually it started as only 8 episodes. Season 1 is 8 episodes and it's self contained really. Then the creator and writer was begged to do more so he did 2 more episodes to sort of tie things up more. He was offered to do lots more episodes but he didnt want to. Felt he had said all he had to say. Vince's and Stuart's story had been told.
In the end Nathan is left to take up Stuart's place as king of Canal Street (the street with all the gay bars in) and you have the feeling he's going to repeat alot of mistakes that Stuart did.
Anyway I totally love the series. There are so many moments where the acting, music and story mesh together into a beautiful whole.
However it might very well be that you´ll like the US version more. You saw that verison first and the UK version is ofcourse filled with british slang and cultural references.
I might not give the impression but I do respect people who prefer the US version I mean to each his own.
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Date: 2004-01-14 10:29 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2004-01-14 02:00 am (UTC)While I do tend to think that Angel/Spike are uber-slashy at times, and I think there is no way those two did not bang...a lot, I do not see this scene as slash.
That was male bonding at it's finest with a little power play thrown in for flavor. The only slash I could see there is a form of sexual dominance, but then again, it is Angelus.
Maybe it is just different for me because I am a guy. ::shrug:: Different perspective and all that yadda yadda yadda.
Now, the scene where Angel and Spike are just talking while sitting on the couch in Angel's office was full of slash for me. Sorry that I can not pinpoint the actual place in the season, but I believe it was before that flashback. It wasn't really sexual, but it was kinda touching.
Aw man, tell me that I can only see sappy slash. ::rolls eyes::
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Date: 2004-01-14 02:52 am (UTC)Yep that's Angelus *grins* the way I see it he's an evil vampire incapable of the sappy kind of love so I just see the kinky twisted dominance related slash in the flashbacks *coughs*
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Date: 2004-01-14 12:46 pm (UTC)